Archer became a Heroic Spirit to defend people, not to end the cycle of his existence; he's only aggravated by Shirou's idealism, such that, he can't take it anymore. /*# sourceMappingURL=https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/chunkCSS/TopicLinksContainer.361933014be843c79476.css.map*/._2ppRhKEnnVueVHY_G-Ursy{-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;margin:22px 0 0;min-height:200px;overflow:hidden;position:relative}._2KLA5wMaJBHg0K2z1q0ci_{margin:0 -7px -8px}._1zdLtEEpuWI_Pnujn1lMF2{bottom:0;position:absolute;right:52px}._3s18OZ_KPHs2Ei416c7Q1l{margin:0 0 22px;position:relative}.LJjFa8EhquYX8xsTnb9n-{filter:grayscale(40%);position:absolute;top:11px}._2Zjw1QfT_iMHH7rfaGsfBs{-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;background:linear-gradient(180deg,rgba(0,121,211,.24),rgba(0,121,211,.12));border-radius:50%;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;height:25px;-ms-flex-pack:center;justify-content:center;margin:0 auto;width:25px}._2gaJVJ6_j7vwKV945EABN9{background-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-button);border-radius:50%;height:15px;width:15px;z-index:1} Now lets pretend we know for sure that Shirou obtained Rho Aias during his grail war of his own timeline even though we can't really pretend this with certanity, and we are just making assumptions. Just because a theory is neat and makes good "book ends" does not mean it had to occur in such a way. He means well and is capable of being nice, but often end… He doesn't lie, but he does keep secrets and tell half truths. Archer's memories about the grail war were vague, but he could never forget the moment where he met Saber. Sorry, this post has been removed by the moderators of r/fatestaynight. How did Satsuki have enough magic power to become a vampire almost instantly and have a Reality Marble herself? I don't remember if this still stands in the anime adaptation. His simple presence is enough to prevent him to make the same mistakes he did. and that particular Rho Aius having 4 petals,not 6 like Archer's. At the beginning of the story, he possesses a Healing Factor that makes him practically immortal, though the source of this is unknown and he did not have it before. Remember when Archer claimed memory loss was right before the time Rin gave Archer the broom and dustpan. Archer could not remember it due the improper summoning making his memories all a jumble. That said, every Shirou that continues practicing magic will end up looking like Archer, but none of the Shirous from the 3 main Routes become a Guardian like Archer, No but he definitely lived a similiar life to archer, the last episode manga should help clear things up: https://m.imgur.com/r/grandorder/rc4JrBq. Shirou Emiya is a person whose entire purpose, entire being is centred around his Ever-distant Utopia; being a Hero of Justice. After avenging Sakura, Shirou fights the enemies that threaten his sister during the Holy Grail War and wins the conflict. It has been stated that after he abandoned the clock tower and started his wandering life to be a Hero of Justice Avalon just returned to the planet because "it lost its purpose". (Day 1 Part 2 of the Prologue). He doesn't lie, but he does keep secrets and tell half truths. I don't think he even admires her, as some may suggest. After an eternity of chasing, and an eternity of waiting, Shirou and Saber did the impossible and reunited. Their blades lock against each other, they gaze hatefully at one another. ._3gbb_EMFXxTYrxDZ2kusIp{margin-bottom:24px;text-transform:uppercase;width:100%}._3gbb_EMFXxTYrxDZ2kusIp:last-child{margin-bottom:10px} To this end, he stubbornly trained himself to his peak and began working as a freelance magus similar to his father. .ehsOqYO6dxn_Pf9Dzwu37{margin-top:0;overflow:visible}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu{height:24px}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu{border-radius:2px}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu:focus,._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu:hover{background-color:var(--newRedditTheme-navIconFaded10);outline:none}._38GxRFSqSC-Z2VLi5Xzkjy{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._2DO72U0b_6CUw3msKGrnnT{border-top:none;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);cursor:pointer;padding:8px 16px 8px 8px;text-transform:none}._2DO72U0b_6CUw3msKGrnnT:hover{background-color:#0079d3;border:none;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-body)} This is why I prefaced this entire thing with the comment to my understanding. Archer, in contrast to this, represents all of Emiya Shirou’s ideals incarnate. 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Archer's route is similar to Fate route, so he'd have given it back to Saber, and after losing the contract the projection is no longer possible. In that case, Shirou does not become the Archer we know. Archer feels his head throb from the recurring visions. Shirou worked as a freelance magus and as a vigilante. Archer is Shirou Emiya, a child who was saved from a fire by an assassin named Kiritsugu Emiya, though his parents were killed in the inferno and Kiritsugu adopted him. What I meant is, that his death via hanging is still going to happen. 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At the instant Rin introduced herself, Archer believed the girl who summoned him was "Tohsaka Rin" (not due to his memory being confused, but the name Tohsaka Rin being worn off). A Japanese Christian that led the Shimabara Rebellion, Shirou was born in the Edo period, he was a boy of miracles who could nearly be called a saint. Rin asking Archer about her memories happened right after the summoning, after Rin's first command seal was used. It was during this time when he received his signature red overcoat as a gift from Ciel of the Burial Agency. Put simply Rin summoning Archer is a possible thing and is probably what did happen until we have evidence to the contrary. Shirou is also an accomplished archer as a side effect of his mage training and, following some training from Saber, is mildly proficient in swordplay. His Fate/Extra Version Has A Different Back-Story. At the beginning of the game, Archer claimed his memory was confused due to incomplete summon. ._3Im6OD67aKo33nql4FpSp_{border:1px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-widgetColors-sidebarWidgetBorderColor);border-radius:5px 5px 4px 4px;overflow:visible;word-wrap:break-word;background-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);padding:12px}.lnK0-OzG7nLFydTWuXGcY{font-size:10px;font-weight:700;letter-spacing:.5px;line-height:12px;text-transform:uppercase;padding-bottom:4px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-navIcon)} Press J to jump to the feed. Because he endured absolute hell as a CG, and it forced him to go against his ideals which had previously lead him through life, and although he knew it would do nothing to give him an escape from it, he wanted to kill Shirou after demolishing his way of thinking on the slightest chance that he would be at peace from it. Fate/Zero, Fate/hollow ataraxia, Fate/Extra, Fate/EXTELLA, Fate/Grand Order, Fate/Apocrypha, Fate/Strange Fake, The Case Files of Lord El-Melloi II, Fate/Requiem, Fate/type Redline, etc., discuss all of these and more on this subreddit! Archer's memories about the grail war were vague, but he could never forget the moment where he met Saber. He can be summoned into any of the different universes of the multiverse even if he came from a different one. Archer's only hope is to provide a large enough "contradiction" that the WORLD steps in (the same type of force that made him a counter guardian, the one he sold his "soul" for the wish in Episode 19, though understand each world of each multiverse is different), that the world steps in and prevents him from being a counter guardian by ....somehow. We have no clue who Rin's servant, only fan theories based off the likely evidence. 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